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SECTION: 7.20.70.4
Boring in a Lathe.
This Section, How using a boring bar can make holes in parts on a Lathe, Step One: Use a Center Drill, Step Two: Use Drills to enlarge the hole, Step Three: Enlarge the hole with the Boring Bar, Close-up of tool in boring bar, Boring bar used for internal turning, Reverse angle of boring bar used for internal turning, and Close-up of Boring Bar Holder.

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SECTION: 7.20 is for some "general" discussion about Metalworking, see also the program files in the current distribution of my programs, the other parts of this HTML documentation, and the current On-Line version of this Web site for information more specifically about my programs. Any comparisons of my programs or methods to some others is only given as a vague generality of my opinion and is not intended as a recommendation or reference to any particular products, or methods, always make your own evaluations and comparisons before taking any action.

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A couple of the photos in subsections of SECTION: 7.20 where taken using a Sears (tm) Craftsman (tm) Atlas (tm) type lathe, the others were taken while using a ShopTask (tm) model 17-20 type 3-in-1 multi-purpose combination mill, drill, and lathe. When a manual machine tool is retrofit for computer control you need to consider how safety shields should be added, and where the emergency power cutoff switches should be placed.

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How using a boring bar can make holes in parts on a Lathe.

When making parts, whether by manual or automated means it is frequently necessary to make holes in the center of round parts so that the wall thickness of the part is machined to accurate dimensions. In a lathe a boring bar can be used to enlarge a hole drilled into the part.

A boring bar can be used in three ways in a lathe, for internal turning i.e. the same as external turning except the point of the tool points from the lathe's spindle axis rather than to it, for internal threading, and for facing the bottom of holes.

Lathe boring can be programed for automated production by using CAD and CAM programs like my DANCAD3D.COM (tm) and DANCAM.EXE (tm). Lathe tool path files for boring are two dimensional drawings. If you need to program internal threading a third axis needs to be programed, i.e. the spindle axis so that the motion of the tool is synchronized to the rotation of the part. Automation of the spindle axis probably requires using a servo motor rather than a stepper motor. If the lathe spindle is set to have 36000 steps per revolution and the CAM program puts out 106000 steps per second, then the top speed for the lathe spindle would be about 176 RPM, which should be more than fast enough for threading.

Boring of this sort can also be done by using a CAM program and an end mill in a vertical milling machine, but centering the part accurately in the milling machine might require a fixture or chuck that has been calibrated to the location of the vertical milling machine's spindle.

The lathe boring bar has two positions for the tool bit, straight across the boring bar for internal threading and turning, and at 45 degrees so the tip of the tool bit can extend past the end of the boring bar in order to make facing cuts at the bottom of the hole.

When the tool bit is sharpened for use in the boring bar quite a bit of extra clearance is required since when turning inside the part the surface of the part below the cutting point is coming toward the tool bit, whereas in normal external turning the part is moving away from the tool bit below the point of contact and only a little, or sometimes no, clearance needs to be ground off of the tool below the cutting edge. The bits I use most of the time are ground to look a little like a cats claw or talon turned upside-down, i.e. curved back from their point to fit within the radius of the hole being bored.

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Step One: Use a Center Drill.
Note: Use a center drill to prick for the drill to make the hole for the boring bar.
PS002E23.JPG (default resolution) Step One: Use a Center Drill.
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Since opening a hole with the boring bar is not easy or possible in many cases, you need to start with a hole large enough for the boring bar to get into it, then enlarge that starting hole with the boring bar.

The first step in making a hole in a part in a lathe is to use a center drill to make a prick for the drill to catch on. If there is no prick then the drill will probably wander off center and snap off.

Since it is probably not easy or possible to center punch accurately with a center punch and hammer, a center drill can be used to drill a prick like you would when you need to support the work with a live center or dead center. The center drill is short and stiff, and so probably has less tendency to wander off of center and snap in half.

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Step Two: Use Drills to enlarge the hole.
Note: Start with small drills and slowly increase the size.
PS003E25.JPG (default resolution) Step Two: Use Drills to enlarge the hole.
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Once you have made the prick you can switch from a center drill to a regular drill of small size. After making a small hole you can use successively larger drills until you have an opening large enough to accommodate the boring bar and its tool bit.

A somewhat larger hole is required when the tool bit is mounted in the 45 degree end of the boring bar, than when the tool bit is mounted in the 90 degree end of the boring bar. So the size of the boring bar used depends on how small the final bored hole size will need to be.

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Step Three: Enlarge the hole with the Boring Bar.
Note: Take light cuts with the boring bar since it can flex under load.
PS003E28.JPG (default resolution) Step Three: Enlarge the hole with the Boring Bar.
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Once a hole large enough for the boring bar and its tool bit has been drilled you can open up the hole by turning from the inside, i.e. internal turning. When the tool is mounted in the usual way with the point going toward the machine operator it can be hard to see what is going on inside the work-piece. If the tool bit in the boring bar is turned around so the tool bit now points to the back of the lathe, and the spindle motor is run backwards, it may be possible to see better what is going on inside while cutting.

When you get near to the final dimension it is good to take several cuts without feeding the tool into the work-piece since the boring bar flexes and may cut the hole diameter undersize on the first few passes over the work-piece.

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Close-up of tool in boring bar.
Note: Set the tip of the tool past the end of the bar for flat bottom holes.
PS004E16.JPG (default resolution) Close-up of tool in boring bar.
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Here you see the tool bit set in the 45 degree position so that the tip of the tool bit is past the end of the boring bar. Depending on how the tool was sharpened you may want to have the cutting done as the tool withdraws from the hole rather then when it is pushing into the hole.

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Boring bar used for internal turning.
Note: You cannot go all the way down when the chuck jaws are inside.
PS002E17.JPG (default resolution) Boring bar used for internal turning.
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Here the boring bar is extended so that cutting can be done deeper into the work-piece. It is not too clear in the photo, but near the rim of the cylinder the thickness was left at about 0.150 inch so it could be drilled and tapped, then down about and inch and an eighth from the end the cylinder wall thickness was reduced to about 0.075 inch for the center portion.

The cutting was only done a little over half way down the inside of the cylinder since the boring bar was not long enough to go all the way, and the internal holding chuck jaws where used to hold the part, which prevented the boring bar from going all the way down even if it could, since it would hit the chuck's jaws.

This part started with a piece of tubing that was machined to a thinner wall thickness, so a starting hole did not need to be drilled before the boring could commence.

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Reverse angle of boring bar used for internal turning.
Note: You cannot go all the way down when the chuck jaws are inside.
PS002E18.JPG (default resolution) Reverse angle of boring bar used for internal turning.
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In this photo you can see better that the boring is only going down to a point above the four jaw lathe chick's jaws. After this end was finished the part was flipped around to do the other end in the same way. To have the cuts meet in the center, the part had to be aligned by using the dial gauge (see the photo in the section on using the dial gauge). Since the part was thin, care needed to be taken in adjusting the four chuck's jaws since too much pressure would distort the part, and it would not run true to the previous cuts.

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Close-up of Boring Bar Holder.
Note: Clamping action of Boring Bar Holder lets you rotate to adjust tool angles.
PS002E16.JPG (default resolution) Close-up of Boring Bar Holder.
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The boring bar holder fits into the lathe's tool post and is compressed by the bolts in the tool post. Notice that one side of the boring bar holder is cut out allowing it to be compressed. Since the boring bar is round, and the hole for the boring bar in the boring bar holder is round, the boring bar can be rotated in order to adjust the angle of contact for the tool bit on the internal surface of the work-piece. It is important to check that the tool bit is only contacting the work-piece at its tip, and not rubbing along its face below the cutting tip. The clearance angles change as the hole is opened up while boring since the radius of the hole in the work-piece changes, and so you may need to rotate the boring bar to adjust the cutting angles once the hole starts getting larger.

The boring bar should not be extended more than is needed for the depth of the hole being bored, in order to keep flexing to the minimum. The boring bar holder allows the boring bar to be slid in an out to adjust the portion that is extended from the tool post in the lathe.

Because the boring bar holds the tool bit lower than the regular turning tools used on this tool post, I had to put some tool bits under the top of the tool post to act as spacers to raise the boring bar holder by about the radius of the boring bar. I could not put brass strips under the boring bar holder to raise it within the tool channel in the tool post since the boring bar holder barely fit without anything under it.

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